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October 1st, 2004, 06:43 PM
travelinman

Quote:

Originally posted by reason:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />It amazes me that the American people are accepting outside election monitors.

Ok...what's the fear?<hr /></blockquote>This may sum up a lot of discussion here and also in the nation.

It's not fear, it's who the fuck are you Mr. UN to even step foot in America. It's bad enough we gave yoy a place to meet. Stay the fuck out of the rest of our country.

Some people feel this way and some don't.
October 1st, 2004, 06:46 PM
Fallyn Angel

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"we need to build alliances"

"we can't go it alone"

"we need to win back the Muslim community"

Seems like he told it like it is. I might not like him, but those are three very valid points.
October 1st, 2004, 07:08 PM
travelinman

Quote:

Originally posted by Jigsaw Jr.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />

"we need to build alliances"

"we can't go it alone"

"we need to win back the Muslim community"

Seems like he told it like it is. I might not like him, but those are three very valid points.<hr /></blockquote>"we need to build alliances"

What do you think the coalition of the willing was?
Afghanistan Albania Australia Azerbaijan Bulgaria Colombia Costa Rica Czech Rep. Denmark Dom. Rep. El Salvador Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Georgia Honduras Hungary Iceland Italy Japan South Korea Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Micronesia Netherlands Nicaragua Palau Philippines Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia
Spain Solomon Isls. Tonga Turkey Ukraine UK
Uzbekistan

WWII Allies
United Kingdom Soviet Union France Australia Belgium Bolivia Brazil Canada China Denmark Greece Mexico Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland South Africa Yugoslavia

Seems to me Bush doubled the number of allies that FDR had.

"we can't go it alone"

See above

"we need to win back the Muslim community"

No they need to win back our trust.

Where is their condemnation of the attack on the world trade center, the Cole and all the others.

Where is their condemnation of the beheadings?

The hell with them.
October 1st, 2004, 07:11 PM
Cagliostro

Quote:

Originally posted by travelinman:
This may sum up a lot of discussion here and also in the nation.

It's not fear, it's who the fuck are you Mr. UN to even step foot in America. It's bad enough we gave yoy a place to meet. Stay the fuck out of the rest of our country.

Some people feel this way and some don't.

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October 1st, 2004, 07:15 PM
Cagliostro

Quote:

Originally posted by Jigsaw Jr.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />

"we need to build alliances"

"we can't go it alone"

"we need to win back the Muslim community"

Seems like he told it like it is. I might not like him, but those are three very valid points.<hr /></blockquote>Ditto on Trav's answer to you.
October 1st, 2004, 07:16 PM
Fallyn Angel

Quote:

Originally posted by travelinman:

Afghanistan Albania Australia Azerbaijan Bulgaria Colombia Costa Rica Czech Rep. Denmark Dom. Rep. El Salvador Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Georgia Honduras Hungary Iceland Italy Japan South Korea Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Micronesia Netherlands Nicaragua Palau Philippines Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia
Spain Solomon Isls. Tonga Turkey Ukraine UK
Uzbekistan [QB]

Not trying to go out of my way and steal a line from John Kerry but, how many troops do we have over there, and besides the UK and Austrailia most of those countries have what, 100 or so troops.

Coalition of the willing, more like Coalition of small countries that don't want to tick off the US. (Yes I know there are some "big name countries in there")
October 1st, 2004, 07:20 PM
reason

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What do you think the coalition of the willing was?
Afghanistan Albania Australia Azerbaijan Bulgaria Colombia Costa Rica Czech Rep. Denmark Dom. Rep. El Salvador Eritrea Estonia Ethiopia Georgia Honduras Hungary Iceland Italy Japan South Korea Latvia Lithuania Macedonia Micronesia Netherlands Nicaragua Palau Philippines Poland Portugal Romania Slovakia
Spain Solomon Isls. Tonga Turkey Ukraine UK
Uzbekistan

Now that we have the Solomon Islands on board, I feel much better. Thanks for clearing that up.

Now, remove the UK from the mix, and what have others offered. In terms of percentage of troops, weapons, etc, what have they given "the coalition?"

Oh...and you can cross Spain off your list.

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October 1st, 2004, 07:21 PM
Cagliostro

Raven, who is going to say how the post Saddam government of Iraq is formed? We are. It's better that we don't have a dozen other nations trying to influence the outcome. It's our call. A stabilized Iraq will go a long way to a stabilized Middle East. Same for Afghanistan. And so long as we depend on oil from that region it matters. It matters if everyone in this country wants to continue to enjoy the lifestyle we have come to expect. Yes, it IS about the oil.
October 1st, 2004, 07:25 PM
reason

In addition to Raven's comments, here's an update on trav's "coalition."

The Coalition of the Diminishing
Thailand: 423 troops leaving early on Aug. 31 instead of Sept. 20; 20 withdrawn on Aug. 10.

Norway: 10 currently in Iraq; 140 withdrawn on June 30. Cited reason: growing domestic opposition and peacekeepers needed elsewhere, such as Afghanistan.

Dominican Republic: 302 withdrawn on May 4. Cited reason: growing domestic opposition.

Honduras: 370 withdrawn on May 12. Cited reason: Troops were sent for reconstruction, not combat.

Nicaragua: 115 withdrawn on Feb. 4. Cited reason: lack of funds.

Philippines: 51 withdrawn on July 19. Cited reason: to save lives of hostages.

Singapore: 160 withdrawn on April 4. Cited reason: completed humanitarian mission.

Spain: 1,300 withdrawn on May 4. Cited reason: new government fulfilled campaign pledge.

Posted on September 30, 2004 at 10:09
October 1st, 2004, 07:26 PM
Fallyn Angel

Yeah, that is the problem I have, we want everything to be ours. We couldn't get the UN support to go into Iraq so we took our ball home and did it anyway. Why? Because we didn't get our way. Personally, I could care less if it is about oil or not, I am tired of seeing our boys die in what honestly looks like a losing battle. We have shown we do not care what others think. We have shown that we will not follow the guidelines of the UN. World opinion is at an all time low, and while some of you say "Who cares what people think"? I for one do, because the effects of Bush's actions will lead to ramifications for years to come and who knows maybe one day we will need to look for help and will not get it because of our "elected" president and his poor decision skills.

I would like to say that while I do not like Bush, he had a good couple of months right after 9/11, but then fell right off his high horse.

[ October 01, 2004 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Jigsaw Jr. ]

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